John Patrick Bedell’s Gunfight With Pentagon Cops: Crazier than Crazy Teabag Offshoot?

John Patrick Bedell

SEE ALSO…J. Patrick Bedell on Wikipedia.”

UPDATE… The Associated Press and BreakingNews on Twitter report that suspect John Patrick Bedell has died of his wounds.

EARLIER… Reports from the AP and other sources indicate a 36-year-old gunman named John Patrick Bedell walked up to the subway entrance of the Pentagon complex on Thursday around 6:40 p.m. and with very little preamble started shooting it out with three Pentagon police officers. When all was said and done, two officers had been shot and Bedell was gravely wounded. Initial reports made it easy to believe the location was a coincidence.

A press conference held shortly before 8 p.m. by Pentagon Police Chief Richard Keevil revealed that Bedell’s alleged assault was indeed part of an attempt to enter the Pentagon complex, making this a potentially much more intriguing story. One question quickly came to mind: does John Patrick Bedell have anything in common with IRS Kamikaze Joe Stack?

A 36-year-old male (born in May, 1973) named John Patrick Bedell, who goes by J. Patrick Bedell, made several posts to a pro-marijuana website regarding his arrest in 2006 for marijuana possession. These posts included scans of the arrest report and these were curious in that they bore some similarities to the few details given in press conferences by authorities regarding Bedell’s approach to trying to enter the Pentagon. Regarding the shootout at the subway entrance Chief Keevil said that Bedell’s demeanor was very calm and cool. He gave no warning as to his intent. When he was asked for his identification, Bedell’s alleged response was to reach inside his pocket and pull out a gun and begin firing.

When J(ohn) Patrick Bedell was served with a search warrant by the Irvine, CA PD on June 6, 2006, Detectives encountered a similar demeanor. From the police report:

Upon serving the warrant, Detective Anderson knocked on the front door and advised our intent [...] and he demanded entry. After making two advisements, at approximately 20 seconds, a male subject, later identified as John Bedell, answered the door. Bedell stood there starting at Detective Anderson. Detective Anderson told Bedell to get down on the ground. Bedell stood there and did not comply. Detective Anderson ordered Bedell down once again and he still did not comply. Bedell just stood there in the doorway refusing to move or even acknowledge he was being spoken to.

Bedell’s mulishness continued. As a detective was walking Bedell through his residence, the software engineer simply stopped and refused to go any further. Then, stranger still, he went completely limp. Detectives did not feel him to be a threat, so they searched his place and found 16 marijuana plants as well as a gardening system for the plants on the rear patio. There were also business cards bearing Bedell’s name and the legend “one gram cannabis.” However, other portions of the police report showed that they found no evidence that Bedell was a legally approved grower of medical marijuana.

Bedell refused to speak with police during the search (which is what any legal advisor would tell him to do). He did say this – he wasn’t speaking because what was being done was, to him, unjust.

John Patrick Bedell refused to walk down to the police cars. Three cops carried him down three flights of stairs in order to transport him to the Irvine police station.

Based on the records he posted, it appears that Bedell was let off with intervention – completion of a drug program in lieu of jail time.

However this is what Bedell wrote regarding his motivation for posting the records online in 2007:

My motivation is quite idiosyncratic, but also very intense. It’s my hope that we will be able to reshape the way that we manage criminal information, and the file releases here are part of that effort.

It’s also my intention that the routine use of the cannabis plant will in no way be a criminal or legal matter.

Volunteers for a 2008 electoral college to assemble at the State Capitols are welcomed!

In another portion of his site profile, Bedell promoted  former Senator and eccentric presidential candidate Mike Gravel whom he said supported selling weed in liquor stores.

The views implied and expressed by this John Patrick Bedell so far are almost doctrinaire libertarian, if there is such a thing. Libertarians have long championed the decriminalization of drugs, focusing closely on marijuana in part because it has long seemed the “drug most likely to” achieve decriminalization first.

A J.P. Bedell found on Facebook who strongly resembles the man in the photo posted with Bedell’s arrest documents was at one point part of a Ludwig von Mises Facebook group – which is only indicative of a passing interest in Mises at best, but it’s worth noting that Mises, an Austrian philosopher and economist who died in 1973 is considered a major influence on modern libertarianism.

J. Patrick Bedell found on Amazon seemed to have interests that fell along a spectrum in keeping with the libertarianism of the Bedell who posted his court and police documents online. His lone book review was of Inside Delta Force: The Story of America’s Elite Counterterrorist Unit, by Eric Haney. Bedell wrote, in part:

For a student of the “secret” history of the US, two parts of the book stand out:

* Haney claims that prisoners of war were deliberately left in Southeast Asia after the Vietnam War, and that a planned Delta operation to rescue them in Laos was aborted after Bo Gritz’s grandstanding in the early 1980′s. He attributes this to unnamed politicians and bureaucrats who wanted to avoid embarassment and forget everything (and everyone) about Vietnam.

* Haney says that he believes a “guerrilla leader” that he killed in Honduras was actually working for the US government, and identifies him as a fellow soldier who participated in Delta Force selection with him.

He also makes allusions to the CIA’s supposed involvement in drug smuggling in Central America during the 1980′s.

It’s clear that these experiences and others have affected his perception of the US government, and the book benefits from his skeptical perspective.

Other books on Bedell’s “wish list” included Russ Baker’s Family of Secrets: The Bush Dynasty, the Powerful Forces That Put It in the White House, and What Their Influence Means for America and Russell Bowen’s The Immaculate Deception: Bush Crime Family Exposed, which claims it is “the most shocking book written this century about treason committed by the highest leaders within the U.S. Government.”

As for software development, John Patrick Bedell’s project was “infoeng,” software for “digital financial instruments (information currency) representing information. Includes server (ICWS) and client for creating IC from subversion commits (icsvn).” Documentation Bedell created for the project around the same time as he was moving on from his marijuana arrest is so dense as to be almost unreadable, even for other software engineers.

The question many are asking and will continue ask even if it is conclusively answered is still this – was John Bedell’s fortunately non-fatal (unless he dies from his wounds) attempt to shoot his way into the Pentagon the act of a crazy man or the act of a semi-sane man working from an extreme ideology? If the same Bedell was a committed libertarian devoted in part to legalizing marijuana and in full to reducing government control over our lives, he might be a “teabagger” ideologically-speaking, for the Tea Party movement has sought to bring both libertarians and extremely conservative Republicans into the fold. But Bedell possibly having a teabagger attitude towards the government may not in the end be to blame for his alleged, attempted rampage. It may just be that he was nuts all along.

In fact, if the guy thought he could take on the Pentagon with a handgun, nuts may be too mild a word.

[msnbc.com/AP]

71 Comments

  1. Posted March 5, 2010 at 7:25 pm | Permalink

    Ahhhhhh, the race card….what took you so long?

  2. Lisa
    Posted March 5, 2010 at 7:40 pm | Permalink

    WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  3. Posted March 5, 2010 at 8:05 pm | Permalink

    Dude, that was four years ago. Maybe he had a head injury or something and became a leftie? And even in that audio he doesn’t sound like an American rightie so much as an anarchist with some paranoid thoughts running around loose.

  4. Posted March 5, 2010 at 8:34 pm | Permalink

    Seems like the Dept. of Homeland Security report back in April 2009 was right. It warned of a possible surge in domestic terror perpetrated by anti-government extremists. Speech has repercussions and Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann and others should keep that in mind when they rant against the government and counsel resistance.

    http://c-dawson.blogspot.com/2010/03/violent-lurch-to-right.html

  5. Lz_erk
    Posted March 5, 2010 at 9:59 pm | Permalink

    Even more interesting than the high ratio of supporters of many of Bedell’s “crazy” opinions is the disturbing fact that it’s not yet been postulated that Bedell knew this and exactly this would happen.

    I only cannot understand why he loaded his suicide guns with live ammo instead of blanks; perhaps he wanted to offer supporting proof that firearms always function best in a defensive role. [I'd rather not consider that he had decided to join the offending monster he spoke against.]

  6. XYZ
    Posted March 5, 2010 at 11:25 pm | Permalink

    The word “extremest” seems to be used by those who would like another set of punishments for crimes that already have a set of punishments. These punishments, like prison or the death penality, aren’t acceptable for people who use this word. They’d like to punish people for political reasons in line with Cheney & John Yoo’s way of thinking. Do these wackos deserve military tribunals, torture, no right to habeus corpus? That’s where this line of thinking is headed. Where is the line going to be drawn on who’s an extremist? It’ll probably have to do with the political leanings of who ever is in power.

  7. jummy
    Posted March 5, 2010 at 11:55 pm | Permalink

    if by “these” you mean people like bedell, i don’t see your point. there is no indication whatsoever that bedell was a racist or antisemite.

    as far as the conduct of white nationalists attempting to insinuate themselves into broader political movements, this is hardly news.

    during the bush administration, white nationalists became a part of the antiwar movement. david duke even had a group called “nowarforisrael” which appeared at dc, new york and chicago antiwar demonstrations.

  8. Posted March 5, 2010 at 11:55 pm | Permalink

    ” …does John Patrick Bedell have anything in common with IRS Kamikaze Joe Stack?”

    Oh now then, let’s see:
    Ah Yes, they were both software engineers.
    And no, not everybody is, especially not in a professional capacity.

    The link the medial elite are going to have to make next, and must to fulfil their purpose, is that all people with a natural bent towards math, higher maths, efficiency & quality calculations associated with software development who are frequently diagnosed with Aspergers syndrome, these days, are by definition potential Terrorists. Simple ain’t it!

    Why couldn’t I make the link?

    Then they can add me to their list. But sorry I beat you to it, I was on it at the tender age of nine, since my dad worked for the MoD, and we’re all by default covered by the Official Secrets Act and monitored by Service Intelligence Branch of the MoD all our lives, Cradle to Grave, incase we do a bad thing, like smoke a joint …. “oh evil terrorist, oh satan’s servant”.

    Now there’s future intelligence for you. You couldn’t make it up, so I helped you bone-head.

    Go on Geniuses, draw the line between the dots, get your pay check. Assasinate the Innocent.

    But there’ll be no reward on ‘the other side’ for you. Scary ain’t it!

    See you on tour next year.

  9. refuse2lose
    Posted March 6, 2010 at 12:35 am | Permalink

    What amazes me is how our supposedly “neutral” mainstream media automatically tagged the guy a tea bagging right winger,like they had already done extensive research on him and were prepared to identify him even before he had done anything.Our news reporting agencies have turned into political lapdogs and the wonder why people are turning to the net for their info.

  10. Lisa
    Posted March 6, 2010 at 2:02 am | Permalink

    I agree. He was disturbed.

    Until we find a camp full of teabaggers/truthers/Obamabots/Palinites training to blow up their enemies, let’s avoid the whole conspiracy thing altogether.

    We are in some very hard times. It is hard enough for the folks with a reasonable grasp on reality to cope. It is not surprising that people in very precarious mental states are melting down.

  11. Lisa
    Posted March 6, 2010 at 2:04 am | Permalink

    Sorry where was race mentioned….anywhere?

    LOL. Someone might have forgotten their afternoon meds.

  12. j
    Posted March 6, 2010 at 2:32 am | Permalink

    That’s the whole point. To promote an end to Habeus. Notice that the writer called Tea Party members “Teabaggers”. This A$$hat can’t even hide his true agenda and purports to have an open mind. As for somebody going to the Pentagon war machine with 2 9mm pistols……..bad move. Your definitely going to need a bigger boat.
    Not many people have pointed out that the LAST software engineer to allegedly go off and attack a govt building had contracts with companies involved with the NSA and shared a hanger with a Homeland Security contractor with lots of electronic avionics programming skills. Wouldn’t be too difficult to taze somebody that walks into the hanger, drug them, load them onto their own plane that’s been preprogrammed with GPS way points and stage your own little terror attack. Joe Stacks plane was a “fly by wire” model with a sophisticated autopilot system. I wonder if the autopsy of Joe’s remains turned up anything interesting. Oh, the NTSB run by a presidential appointee, will turn up any suspicious info and tell the public I’m sure.

  13. sevendeviations
    Posted March 6, 2010 at 3:42 am | Permalink

    Guilt by association is one of the prime false logic tools used by the global elite. Hitler was a vegetarian. Does this make all vegetarians evil?

    The citizenry must be made to understand these mind control tools. Those who wake up to the scam are automatically recruited into the patiot movement. Those who do not wake up do not matter one way or the other. Revolution is ALWAYS accomplished by less than 5% of a population. I think we are well above 5%.

    If the puppet news media insist on siding with the global elite, then they become legitimate targets. Shut them down. Surround them. Take them over and broadcast the truth form their own broadcast towers.

    50,000 citizens protesting in DC gets no coverage. Fine. 50,000 citizens takeing over a radio station will MAKE their own coverage.

    Revolution is coming. If we act now we can confine it to a peaceful one. Taking over radio staitons is peacful compared to what is coming after the economic collapse. The staged attacks on black neighborhoods by neonazi “team party” members and so on will be beyond most people’s ability to grasp. But make no mistake, the global elite WILL stage such attacks. They will stage a whole lot worse than anything good, moral sane people can imagine.

  14. Tony Ryals
    Posted March 6, 2010 at 5:04 am | Permalink

    All I know is that,aside from alledged Pentagon shooter John Bedell,
    that Ludwig Von Mises’ biggest fans are fascists indeed such as James
    Dale Davidson founder of Steve Forbes’ National Taxpayers Union near
    the SEC headquarters in Alexandria,Virginia as well as newsmax.con
    that includes the British fascist Lord William Rees-Mogg,deceased
    wingnut General Al Haig,et.al. and Agora Inc,Baltimore(and world wide
    internet) penny stock promoting and money laundering scumbags Bill
    Bonner,Lila Rajiva,Porter Stansberry,Lard William Rees-Mogg,and CIA
    ‘economist’ and
    Columbia University parasite Mark Skousen of the Nevada Fraud ‘Freedom
    Fest’ et.al..Their corrupt group also includes Texas Republican
    wingnut and womens rights denier Ron Paul who lied to the SEC about
    Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac AND THEIR SLEEZY PENNY STOCKS being ‘naked
    shorted’ for them .
    All these Lew RockWell-ian parasites are Misesians which certainly in
    itself doesn’t say anything good about Ludwig Von Mises.Maybe Mises
    wasn’t a crook,pseudo-intellectual or CIA scumbag but his admirers at
    present certainly are.

    http://washingtonindependent.com/78543/john-bedell-and-ludwig-von-mises

    John Bedell and Ludwig von Mises
    By David Weigel 3/5/10 3:39 PM ThinkProgress points to a strange item
    on the Bazpedia page of Pentagon metro shooter John Patrick Bedell,
    buried below the incomprehensible kookery (”I have posted the image to
    the right in order to illustrate the use of cannabis as a monetary
    system using digital financial instruments“) and a brief appreciation
    of libertarian economist Ludwig von Mises.

    LewRockwell.comAn anti-state/pro-market site on the net run by the
    president of the Ludwig von Mises Institute. Updated 6 days a week.
    http://www.lewrockwell.com

  15. iain campbell
    Posted March 6, 2010 at 7:23 am | Permalink

    Bedell the Tea bagger? Libertarian? Republican? Hard to make that case – he WAS – before succumbing to his suicidal wounds, a registered Democrat, so the nut bar definition definately applies. Rewrite presumptive article, then insert foot in mouth.

  16. DAn
    Posted March 6, 2010 at 9:13 am | Permalink

    I found the document relatively easy to read and almost dumbed down as another put it.

  17. DAn
    Posted March 6, 2010 at 9:17 am | Permalink

    Lisa, Obama is a warmonger and a fascist just like Bush was. You can’t counter any point about violence from the far left, obviously.

  18. someguy
    Posted March 7, 2010 at 3:08 pm | Permalink

    ^seriously right?

    Ok, so I just watched some CNN clip where they say Bedell was stopped by CHP in Jan.
    The chp officer said bedells cars interior was so dirty it ‘worried him’ enough to ask Bedell ‘if his parents number were on his cell phone’ & then asked ‘if he could call them’
    wtf?? Bedell complied. Oh and then CNN said he immediately after that went Missing for a Week!? His parents filed a missing persons report & Bedell returned a week later.
    His parents are reported as saying ‘he was off’ or ‘medicated’ (iirc), it was all the cnn reporter speaking only person interviewed was the cop. Reefer maddness, teabagger & libertarian were all referenced as ties to this ‘crazy’ ‘anti gov’ ‘whack job’ ‘conspiracy theorist’ its just gets weirder & weirder folks.

  19. Gregory B. Gregory
    Posted March 15, 2010 at 3:10 pm | Permalink

    “Left wingers support using the government to harm and oppress the citizens of that government.”

    If you really believe that, you’re nuttier than Bedell! Why would I “support using the government to harm and opress” me?

  20. Gregory B. Gregory
    Posted March 15, 2010 at 3:14 pm | Permalink

    Yay XYZ! Voice of Reason!

  21. Ludwig1251
    Posted March 15, 2010 at 3:41 pm | Permalink

    Am I dense? I guess so…. I can’t tell from your rant whether you’re far left or far right. One thing’s certain: You’re far something.

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